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		<title>By: mandythompson</title>
		<link>http://mandythompson.com/2008/02/18/can-mature-christians-not-have-a-ministry/#comment-3315</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[and here&#039;s a new question to chew on.... how can we encourage/exhort the takers to become givers? how can we motivate our brothers and sisters to become a more active contributor to the cause?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and here&#8217;s a new question to chew on&#8230;. how can we encourage/exhort the takers to become givers? how can we motivate our brothers and sisters to become a more active contributor to the cause?</p>
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		<title>By: mandythompson</title>
		<link>http://mandythompson.com/2008/02/18/can-mature-christians-not-have-a-ministry/#comment-3314</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maggie: i&#039;m glad you came back and emphasized that His word promises we&#039;ll be encouraged... and that i can just ASK for it and He&#039;ll send it my way. that&#039;s refreshing this morning... i&#039;ll be chewing more on your thoughts.
with sincerest thanks,
mandy]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maggie: i&#8217;m glad you came back and emphasized that His word promises we&#8217;ll be encouraged&#8230; and that i can just ASK for it and He&#8217;ll send it my way. that&#8217;s refreshing this morning&#8230; i&#8217;ll be chewing more on your thoughts.<br />
with sincerest thanks,<br />
mandy</p>
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		<title>By: "Maggie"</title>
		<link>http://mandythompson.com/2008/02/18/can-mature-christians-not-have-a-ministry/#comment-3313</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA["Maggie"]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to say this again for those leading.  If you are leading, don&#039;t miss that second verse: God NEVER leaves us without encouragement. I&#039;m going to add my notes and really meditate on what is here with me:

&quot;May our LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF 
AND GOD OUR FATHER (as if Jesus was not enough to say), 
who loved us and by his GRACE, GAVE (past tense) 
us ETERNAL ENCOURAGEMENT (eternal encouragement!) 
and good hope (AND HOPE...strength to go forward), 
ENCOURAGE (AGAIN, more encouragement, here present tense, just in case &quot;eternal encouragement&quot; was not enough)
your hearts (your very inner being)
AND STRENGTHEN you (from his own very life,giving us strength to keep walking)
in EVERY good deed (in all we do)
and word (in all we say).&quot; 2 Thess. 2:16

God is very serious about making sure we stay encouraged.  He takes that responsiblity onto His very self:  here, through Jesus, God the Father, and the empowering of the Holy Spirit. 

I just want us to be clear here: God will NOT leave us wanting for courage if he still has work for us to do.   

If read that there is nothing God tackles in scripture with his people more than fear and down-heartedness. 

Yes!  He uses the body, we need each other, and we could do better.  Yet, he doesn&#039;t leave us at the mercy of mortal, fallible men in this area.  

Yet, I know that leading worship is a very tricky thing.  We NEED to weigh response:  did I inspire?  Did I draw people&#039;s hearts to the Father?  Do I need to be doing this?  

But, He has you there.  As long as He has you there...keep going strong!  Keep pouring yourself out as an offering.  Keep being used and abused.  Jesus was (see the first verse above).  We will be.  I am so guilty of saying, &quot;Lord USE ME!&quot;, then praying, &quot;Lord, I feel so USED!&quot; or, wanting with all my heart to be poured out &#039;as a drink offering&#039;, then feeling almost bitter for feeling so &quot;wasted&quot;...???  

What do we do, but be re-filled?  

I remember that man who said, &quot;I don&#039;t remember every meal my wife fixed over the last year.  I can&#039;t give you many of the menus.  All I know is that I&#039;ve been fed.&quot;  There may be times people are reading email while they eat, or watching TV, or on the phone.  They may not comment about the food.  But, they still need to eat.  They are being fed.  If they weren&#039;t being fed, they wouldn&#039;t come back.  

Oh!  Be encouraged.  You ARE a giver of good courage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say this again for those leading.  If you are leading, don&#8217;t miss that second verse: God NEVER leaves us without encouragement. I&#8217;m going to add my notes and really meditate on what is here with me:</p>
<p>&#8220;May our LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF<br />
AND GOD OUR FATHER (as if Jesus was not enough to say),<br />
who loved us and by his GRACE, GAVE (past tense)<br />
us ETERNAL ENCOURAGEMENT (eternal encouragement!)<br />
and good hope (AND HOPE&#8230;strength to go forward),<br />
ENCOURAGE (AGAIN, more encouragement, here present tense, just in case &#8220;eternal encouragement&#8221; was not enough)<br />
your hearts (your very inner being)<br />
AND STRENGTHEN you (from his own very life,giving us strength to keep walking)<br />
in EVERY good deed (in all we do)<br />
and word (in all we say).&#8221; 2 Thess. 2:16</p>
<p>God is very serious about making sure we stay encouraged.  He takes that responsiblity onto His very self:  here, through Jesus, God the Father, and the empowering of the Holy Spirit. </p>
<p>I just want us to be clear here: God will NOT leave us wanting for courage if he still has work for us to do.   </p>
<p>If read that there is nothing God tackles in scripture with his people more than fear and down-heartedness. </p>
<p>Yes!  He uses the body, we need each other, and we could do better.  Yet, he doesn&#8217;t leave us at the mercy of mortal, fallible men in this area.  </p>
<p>Yet, I know that leading worship is a very tricky thing.  We NEED to weigh response:  did I inspire?  Did I draw people&#8217;s hearts to the Father?  Do I need to be doing this?  </p>
<p>But, He has you there.  As long as He has you there&#8230;keep going strong!  Keep pouring yourself out as an offering.  Keep being used and abused.  Jesus was (see the first verse above).  We will be.  I am so guilty of saying, &#8220;Lord USE ME!&#8221;, then praying, &#8220;Lord, I feel so USED!&#8221; or, wanting with all my heart to be poured out &#8216;as a drink offering&#8217;, then feeling almost bitter for feeling so &#8220;wasted&#8221;&#8230;???  </p>
<p>What do we do, but be re-filled?  </p>
<p>I remember that man who said, &#8220;I don&#8217;t remember every meal my wife fixed over the last year.  I can&#8217;t give you many of the menus.  All I know is that I&#8217;ve been fed.&#8221;  There may be times people are reading email while they eat, or watching TV, or on the phone.  They may not comment about the food.  But, they still need to eat.  They are being fed.  If they weren&#8217;t being fed, they wouldn&#8217;t come back.  </p>
<p>Oh!  Be encouraged.  You ARE a giver of good courage.</p>
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		<title>By: tam</title>
		<link>http://mandythompson.com/2008/02/18/can-mature-christians-not-have-a-ministry/#comment-3303</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 05:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whoa girl! Is you hair song at a dead end? Just kidding!

Great, great post! No, you&#039;re not being cynical at all. You&#039;re calling those out! Not only do the takers rob the body - they lose their fervor. They miss out big time on the blessing of serving. They atrophy and die off...it&#039;s real. It&#039;s sad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa girl! Is you hair song at a dead end? Just kidding!</p>
<p>Great, great post! No, you&#8217;re not being cynical at all. You&#8217;re calling those out! Not only do the takers rob the body &#8211; they lose their fervor. They miss out big time on the blessing of serving. They atrophy and die off&#8230;it&#8217;s real. It&#8217;s sad.</p>
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		<title>By: inWorship</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you are right on. You summed your whole post up in this statement.

&quot;If we&#039;re not giving we&#039;re just taking.&quot;

Good challenge for each of us. It is hard to watch people who should be edifying just sit there. I pray we can all lovingly encourage each other to service.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are right on. You summed your whole post up in this statement.</p>
<p>&#8220;If we&#8217;re not giving we&#8217;re just taking.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good challenge for each of us. It is hard to watch people who should be edifying just sit there. I pray we can all lovingly encourage each other to service.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amanda]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 01:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, yes, yes! I totally agree!  This happens far too often in churches -- &amp; for the Body of Christ to function properly we need each part to do as it is gifted &amp; given to do, otherwise, we might be thumbless, armless, handless &amp; mindless as the Body of Christ. When one part malfunctions, it affects all the others. (Paul&#039;s words in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2012:12-27;&amp;version=31;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1 Corinthians 12&lt;/a&gt; is where I&#039;m going...)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, yes, yes! I totally agree!  This happens far too often in churches &#8212; &amp; for the Body of Christ to function properly we need each part to do as it is gifted &amp; given to do, otherwise, we might be thumbless, armless, handless &amp; mindless as the Body of Christ. When one part malfunctions, it affects all the others. (Paul&#8217;s words in <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2012:12-27;&amp;version=31;" rel="nofollow">1 Corinthians 12</a> is where I&#8217;m going&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie Witcher</title>
		<link>http://mandythompson.com/2008/02/18/can-mature-christians-not-have-a-ministry/#comment-3296</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Natalie Witcher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our Pastor calls those who sit and watch &quot;consumers&quot;. We all need to be contributers. Even the newbies can contribute. If we&#039;re all contributing in the Spirit, we all get fed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our Pastor calls those who sit and watch &#8220;consumers&#8221;. We all need to be contributers. Even the newbies can contribute. If we&#8217;re all contributing in the Spirit, we all get fed.</p>
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		<title>By: teri</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[teri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Parasites suck the life out of people.  Parasites suck the life out of churches.  It happens girl...you hit it big time!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parasites suck the life out of people.  Parasites suck the life out of churches.  It happens girl&#8230;you hit it big time!</p>
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		<title>By: boffthewall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[boffthewall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 22:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whoa..so weird! I&#039;ve been listening to a Willow Creek series called &quot;Living Beyond Yourself&quot; (every time i go to Chicago i buy tons of their sermon series that my mom and i listen to throughout the year in the car..we love Willow Creek!) and just today i finished the disc about how EACH of us have a spiritual gift. The next disc is about how to figure that out...but i do agree with you. God blessed us with a gift, some of us even have more than one, that we are to use to the best of our abililty. If we don&#039;t, it&#039;s almost kind of like we&#039;re ignoring God...unless of course we don&#039;t know what our gift is, then it&#039;s still up to us to determine that. I think a lot of people are just lazy, they know what their gift is, but they instead sit back and take it all in at church. Or they don&#039;t like their gift so they choose to ignore it. I think we all do that at times so i&#039;m not saying i&#039;m perfect! Parasite is a good way to describe it too. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa..so weird! I&#8217;ve been listening to a Willow Creek series called &#8220;Living Beyond Yourself&#8221; (every time i go to Chicago i buy tons of their sermon series that my mom and i listen to throughout the year in the car..we love Willow Creek!) and just today i finished the disc about how EACH of us have a spiritual gift. The next disc is about how to figure that out&#8230;but i do agree with you. God blessed us with a gift, some of us even have more than one, that we are to use to the best of our abililty. If we don&#8217;t, it&#8217;s almost kind of like we&#8217;re ignoring God&#8230;unless of course we don&#8217;t know what our gift is, then it&#8217;s still up to us to determine that. I think a lot of people are just lazy, they know what their gift is, but they instead sit back and take it all in at church. Or they don&#8217;t like their gift so they choose to ignore it. I think we all do that at times so i&#8217;m not saying i&#8217;m perfect! Parasite is a good way to describe it too. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mandythompson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mandythompson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 22:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[maggie: thanks for all the verses... its good to know that my spiritual imagination isn&#039;t heretical. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maggie: thanks for all the verses&#8230; its good to know that my spiritual imagination isn&#8217;t heretical. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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