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		<title>By: Blane Young</title>
		<link>http://mandythompson.com/2009/03/04/how-far-is-too-far/#comment-22641</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joshua Harris (author of I Kissed Dating Goodbye &amp; Boy Meets Girl, among other books) suggests that the question of &quot;how far is to far&quot; is problematic in its approach. We must examine purity, on a directional plane and not simply as a line. Then the proper question, in accordance with the holy standards in the are of sexual purity detailed in the Bible, is how pure can I be? 

This question, and the heart behind it, in my opinion, aligns itself to the will and heart of God. 

He also asks people to start viewing those they are dating as someone&#039;s wife, whether mine or a different guy. With that in mind, what should I do? In other words, how would I want my future wife acting physically in a relationship with another guy?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joshua Harris (author of I Kissed Dating Goodbye &amp; Boy Meets Girl, among other books) suggests that the question of &#8220;how far is to far&#8221; is problematic in its approach. We must examine purity, on a directional plane and not simply as a line. Then the proper question, in accordance with the holy standards in the are of sexual purity detailed in the Bible, is how pure can I be? </p>
<p>This question, and the heart behind it, in my opinion, aligns itself to the will and heart of God. </p>
<p>He also asks people to start viewing those they are dating as someone&#8217;s wife, whether mine or a different guy. With that in mind, what should I do? In other words, how would I want my future wife acting physically in a relationship with another guy?</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy Beall</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 01:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;ve probably already given your talk but here&#039;s my two cents:

1.  Don&#039;t touch anything covered twice.
2.  Stay vertical.
3.  Do not kiss for as long as possible.  Once you start, it&#039;s downhill from there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve probably already given your talk but here&#8217;s my two cents:</p>
<p>1.  Don&#8217;t touch anything covered twice.<br />
2.  Stay vertical.<br />
3.  Do not kiss for as long as possible.  Once you start, it&#8217;s downhill from there.</p>
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		<title>By: kristiapplesauce</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, you can make up rules for yourselves and create accountability (that is probably wise) but really, if I could go back I would let go of my own desires and manipulations (trying to control men with desire). It is all so lame. All I really did was rob us both of what the future had for us anyways. Looking back what I regret the most (out of all the boyfriends I have had) it is what I &quot;did&quot; with my husband before we got married the most. I gave him my heart and offered too much of my body before it was time and it was false. Phantom pleasure because it wasn&#039;t his to have, or really - mine to give. Sad, isn&#039;t it? So you ask how far is too far? It is different for everybody I think. For me it was a kiss. We didn&#039;t include God in our physical romance. Why would we? We were pleasing ourselves and that is where the confusion takes place. I think that God wants to be invited to the party and for whatever reason we remove Him completely....He isn&#039;t stupid, so if you are a Christian, why not pray about &quot;how far you should go&quot; and honor God with your mind and body. Actually I think we all should do that, married or not...honor God with our minds and bodies -  in and out of all of our relationships.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, you can make up rules for yourselves and create accountability (that is probably wise) but really, if I could go back I would let go of my own desires and manipulations (trying to control men with desire). It is all so lame. All I really did was rob us both of what the future had for us anyways. Looking back what I regret the most (out of all the boyfriends I have had) it is what I &#8220;did&#8221; with my husband before we got married the most. I gave him my heart and offered too much of my body before it was time and it was false. Phantom pleasure because it wasn&#8217;t his to have, or really &#8211; mine to give. Sad, isn&#8217;t it? So you ask how far is too far? It is different for everybody I think. For me it was a kiss. We didn&#8217;t include God in our physical romance. Why would we? We were pleasing ourselves and that is where the confusion takes place. I think that God wants to be invited to the party and for whatever reason we remove Him completely&#8230;.He isn&#8217;t stupid, so if you are a Christian, why not pray about &#8220;how far you should go&#8221; and honor God with your mind and body. Actually I think we all should do that, married or not&#8230;honor God with our minds and bodies &#8211;  in and out of all of our relationships.</p>
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		<title>By: The girls want to know about cohabitation &#171; mandythompson.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mandy</title>
		<link>http://mandythompson.com/2009/03/04/how-far-is-too-far/#comment-22348</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I heard it explained once &amp; it stuck with me.

As a society we are edge dancers. We dance on the edge of life. If the speed limit is 70, we go 72 hoping NOT to get caught. If we&#039;re on a diet w/ only 1200 calories a day, we&#039;ll cut an m&amp;m in half to reach, but not go over or dialy calories.

When we&#039;re driving down the road &amp; we start feeling the flub, flub, flub of the rumble strips on the side of the road, we know we&#039;re getting too close to the edge. We are still far from going over...but still have those rumble strips to catch our attention.

We each need to set limits, or rumble strips, for ourselves &amp; have accountability to someone. When you&#039;re in the middle of a relationship &amp; you get flooded w/ feelings, you need warning signs that *wait* this is one of my rumble strips...I&#039;m starting to head in a direction that I don&#039;t wanna go...stop...slow down...take control]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard it explained once &amp; it stuck with me.</p>
<p>As a society we are edge dancers. We dance on the edge of life. If the speed limit is 70, we go 72 hoping NOT to get caught. If we&#8217;re on a diet w/ only 1200 calories a day, we&#8217;ll cut an m&amp;m in half to reach, but not go over or dialy calories.</p>
<p>When we&#8217;re driving down the road &amp; we start feeling the flub, flub, flub of the rumble strips on the side of the road, we know we&#8217;re getting too close to the edge. We are still far from going over&#8230;but still have those rumble strips to catch our attention.</p>
<p>We each need to set limits, or rumble strips, for ourselves &amp; have accountability to someone. When you&#8217;re in the middle of a relationship &amp; you get flooded w/ feelings, you need warning signs that *wait* this is one of my rumble strips&#8230;I&#8217;m starting to head in a direction that I don&#8217;t wanna go&#8230;stop&#8230;slow down&#8230;take control</p>
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		<title>By: Ask the leadership coach &#187; How far is too far? « mandythompson.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: adminpeterpark</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 08:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our flesh is weak.  One thing always leads to another.  The most important thing I think during dating is not to spend too much alone.  And if you are going to spend time alone do it in public.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our flesh is weak.  One thing always leads to another.  The most important thing I think during dating is not to spend too much alone.  And if you are going to spend time alone do it in public.</p>
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		<title>By: mandythompson</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[KERI! You just gave yourself away, you know... ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KERI! You just gave yourself away, you know&#8230; <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: keripennell</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[and now I know why your making us our favorite meal... ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and now I know why your making us our favorite meal&#8230; <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: annie</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 04:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[WOW, is this a huge topic.

(And I have to note, Mandy - you&#039;ve pulled out pretty much every single guy to comment on this one!)

Ummm... from my perspective ... I have several &#039;views.&#039;

1) &#039;too far&#039; is subjective and individual.  Someone else&#039;s boundaries will never fly in the moment.

2) for a girl - BE PICKY on the guy you choose.  I cannot stress this enough.  Their boundaries will become your boundaries in the heat of the moment.  If they have a decent understanding of what boundaries are, and an understanding that they are to be respected at all costs - &lt;i&gt;you have a treasure.&lt;/i&gt;  This is THE MOST important thing.  (At least from the sex standpoint.  Salvation is the most important overall.)  See, what happens in the moment, is that guys are &lt;i&gt;the most&lt;/i&gt; susceptible to &#039;going too far.&#039;  Their drive for it is POWERFUL.  And as women, it is created into us (see Genesis) to &lt;i&gt;want&lt;/i&gt; to give in to him, and to enjoy that he needs us that much.  If there is not an agreement between both people that they will, at all costs, respect the other person&#039;s boundaries, firstly because they &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; the other person&#039;s boundaries, and secondly because what they&#039;re waiting for is WORTH waiting for (even as excruciatingly hard as it is), then &#039;too far&#039; will be reached.

3) how you were raised seems to be the single greatest thing that will determine your boundaries in the heat of the moment.  Sometimes what you &#039;decide&#039; in your head cannot match the patterns you&#039;ve lived.

4) I think respect line-crossing is quite probably the greater issue than the physical line-crossing.  The only reason &lt;i&gt;to&lt;/i&gt; hold back is out of respect for someone.  Respect for your own body, respect for his, respect for God, respect for your families, respect for what marriage is designed to be, respect for your future relationship.  The physical boundaries my husband and I crossed before we were married - in many ways don&#039;t even make a blip on the radar for me now (he was my only boyfriend, it should be said - baggage from other relationships is a &lt;i&gt;whole other ball of wax&lt;/i&gt;), but the disrespect ... yep, that still gets me.  Not that it can&#039;t be healed ... but that was the weightier issue.

And finally ... what boundaries I would set right now, knowing myself (which as I said before is subjective, but just in case it helps someone): Being alone, with no one around is the single biggest and easiest to fix thing in setting boundaries.  People around = most people won&#039;t &#039;go for it.&#039;  Nobody around = might as well be a bedroom.  So ... limit to some degree, or &#039;off limits entirely&#039; one-on-one time with no one around.  This doesn&#039;t mean chaperoning ... but it does mean public places, etc.  In a public place no one will bother you nor know who you are - but the presence of people nearby will discourage the &#039;bedroom&#039; feel.  Actually, that&#039;s probably the biggest thing. We had to limit French kissing ... Hm.  That&#039;s all I&#039;m coming up with at the moment.

And I will say (since you&#039;re talking to gals) - IT IS WORTH IT to find a guy who cherishes you as the weaker vessel.  I can&#039;t tell you how loved I felt - how taken care of and esteemed I felt - whenever Ben would respect my boundaries.  I felt like a princess.  Like he was my knight in shining armor, protecting his lady.  I know it sounds silly ... but I did.  That feeling ... priceless.

That&#039;s my 2 cents!  (might be more like $1.50)  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW, is this a huge topic.</p>
<p>(And I have to note, Mandy &#8211; you&#8217;ve pulled out pretty much every single guy to comment on this one!)</p>
<p>Ummm&#8230; from my perspective &#8230; I have several &#8216;views.&#8217;</p>
<p>1) &#8216;too far&#8217; is subjective and individual.  Someone else&#8217;s boundaries will never fly in the moment.</p>
<p>2) for a girl &#8211; BE PICKY on the guy you choose.  I cannot stress this enough.  Their boundaries will become your boundaries in the heat of the moment.  If they have a decent understanding of what boundaries are, and an understanding that they are to be respected at all costs &#8211; <i>you have a treasure.</i>  This is THE MOST important thing.  (At least from the sex standpoint.  Salvation is the most important overall.)  See, what happens in the moment, is that guys are <i>the most</i> susceptible to &#8216;going too far.&#8217;  Their drive for it is POWERFUL.  And as women, it is created into us (see Genesis) to <i>want</i> to give in to him, and to enjoy that he needs us that much.  If there is not an agreement between both people that they will, at all costs, respect the other person&#8217;s boundaries, firstly because they <i>are</i> the other person&#8217;s boundaries, and secondly because what they&#8217;re waiting for is WORTH waiting for (even as excruciatingly hard as it is), then &#8216;too far&#8217; will be reached.</p>
<p>3) how you were raised seems to be the single greatest thing that will determine your boundaries in the heat of the moment.  Sometimes what you &#8216;decide&#8217; in your head cannot match the patterns you&#8217;ve lived.</p>
<p>4) I think respect line-crossing is quite probably the greater issue than the physical line-crossing.  The only reason <i>to</i> hold back is out of respect for someone.  Respect for your own body, respect for his, respect for God, respect for your families, respect for what marriage is designed to be, respect for your future relationship.  The physical boundaries my husband and I crossed before we were married &#8211; in many ways don&#8217;t even make a blip on the radar for me now (he was my only boyfriend, it should be said &#8211; baggage from other relationships is a <i>whole other ball of wax</i>), but the disrespect &#8230; yep, that still gets me.  Not that it can&#8217;t be healed &#8230; but that was the weightier issue.</p>
<p>And finally &#8230; what boundaries I would set right now, knowing myself (which as I said before is subjective, but just in case it helps someone): Being alone, with no one around is the single biggest and easiest to fix thing in setting boundaries.  People around = most people won&#8217;t &#8216;go for it.&#8217;  Nobody around = might as well be a bedroom.  So &#8230; limit to some degree, or &#8216;off limits entirely&#8217; one-on-one time with no one around.  This doesn&#8217;t mean chaperoning &#8230; but it does mean public places, etc.  In a public place no one will bother you nor know who you are &#8211; but the presence of people nearby will discourage the &#8216;bedroom&#8217; feel.  Actually, that&#8217;s probably the biggest thing. We had to limit French kissing &#8230; Hm.  That&#8217;s all I&#8217;m coming up with at the moment.</p>
<p>And I will say (since you&#8217;re talking to gals) &#8211; IT IS WORTH IT to find a guy who cherishes you as the weaker vessel.  I can&#8217;t tell you how loved I felt &#8211; how taken care of and esteemed I felt &#8211; whenever Ben would respect my boundaries.  I felt like a princess.  Like he was my knight in shining armor, protecting his lady.  I know it sounds silly &#8230; but I did.  That feeling &#8230; priceless.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my 2 cents!  (might be more like $1.50)  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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